The Multi-purpose message memo post…………
There’s a lot going on and it would normally take more than one post to go through it all…so let’s just put it all here…………
Where to start?
Oh………
HI EVE!
I got your message!
I don’t subscribe to your newsletter, so someone was kind enough to forward it to me……..as I assume someone forwarded you my comment about your……..work……..ah well……I should’ve known it would come to this……..but I did say early on that we were on opposite sides of this issue and that when it came to moments like this, it’s nothing personal, just business…..well…I think I told Johan [Hi Johan! How’s it hangin’ cuz?] My mistake if that message didn’t get to you until now.
I didn’t want to choose sides early on because I needed more info….that was before your website and position became clear. I also made comments concerning how wrong I thought it all was…so the last comments I made should’ve come as no surprise.
I am surprised, however, that you care at all about anything I have to say on the matter……but hey…
Anyway……..
Basically what I see you saying is that Lucifer is a good guy who was fucked over by the higher ups, who, for some reason, are adamantly opposed to seeing CM ATON succeed with this universe…despite the FATHER’S Will on the matter.
You’ve also stated that Lord Siraya, Master Spirit of Orvonton and thus, as such, a direct manifestation and voice of The Paradise Trinity, since this superuniverse is based upon all three’s relationship/personality…….for all intents and purposes, rebelled against that same Trinity to fuck over CM AND Lucifer………..and that no one seemed to notice this happening….apparently because someone changed the Akashic records to omit these actions [and I guess every thought, word, emotion and deed that was ever related to it…..]….and no one noticed that either, even the Guardians of The Akashic Records…………
Okay…………
Also…..NO ONE, not even THE PARADISE TRINITY, THE ELOHIM, THE MELCHIZEDEKS, METATRON, ANY OF THE OTHER MASTER SPIRITS, THE ENTIRE CIRCUIT OF REFLECTIVITY IN CREATION, OR SOURCE CREATOR HAD A CLUE OR SAID A WORD ABOUT IT IF THEY DID………..NOT TO MENTION CM HIMSELF…OR GABRIEL…WHO REALLY LOVES TO STAY ON TOP OF THINGS FOR THE BOSS…..HE MAKES THE NSA LOOK LIKE TWO KINDERGARTENERS WITH TIN CANS AND FRAYED SHOELACES TIED TO ‘EM…..just sayin’………..
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None of this came out anywhere at any time while a clone of a spiritual being [and I have no idea how to make a non-physical clone that would fool EVERYONE…]wreaked havoc with the universe just so a few Havona conspirators could eventually screw with one highly experimental universe system seed/prison/bestowal planet, thereby invalidating the entire universe itself, because they were afraid……..of what exactly?
Were they afraid that the success of this operation would allow for such darkness to become the norm for the emerging universes to come, even though 99% of the Grand Universe population had never experienced such a thing as this and thus, after all the data was in, wouldn’t quite be hell bent on doing it themselves? Perhaps, logic suggests that they would try to use this example as a foundation to improve upon. Would they also guarantee that such a rebellion as happened here, along with the planetary defaults and the default of our own Adam/Eve, would also be duplicated? Along with the wars? Along with the contractual colonization of this planet by ones such as the Anunnaki and the subsequent abuse of privileges, even to the point of downgrading species DNA for the sake of enslavement? The fallen angelics, techma…….. zionists/nwo/cabals/jesuits/opusdei/crucifixion/islam/
rothschildbushrockefellerclinton……[not to mention, again, that bestowal mission thing] and the list that goes on and on with all the stuff that had to go together perfectly in creation to create what happened here to get what is happening and the final outcome of it all in GODS WILL?
Were they afraid that it would all just happen over and over just to see what would happen? Trillions upon trillions of beings allowed to suffer such extremes all for the sake of progress?
If so, they must really care about us to try to deceive even GOD/PARADISE TRINITY because they disagreed with GODS WILL……….and still…….GOD KNEW NOT!?!?
Forgive me for being incredulous……..i can’t help it…but that’s me……..you think what you like about it…as you do…….
WHAT WERE THEY SO AFRAID OF THAT WOULD LEAD THEM TO REBEL AGAINST THEIR OWN CREATOR?
We’re not talking Lucifer here…..we’re talking about beings who knew better and knew more and were existing in such a state of unity with the ONE/ALL, that deception should have been out of the question……so how did they do it?
Never mind that the Akashic records record all things, thoughts, feelings, acts, words, dreams, notions, ideas, concepts…….[and I, for one, consider it as being a non-edit thing…even if a being could edit it, wouldn’t that also be included in the record itself…even just the thought of it? So just how was such a thing achieved?
So yes…I am unconvinced as to the veracity of your claims in this regard.
As far as pimping one’s self….sigh….i know…….but what can I do? We don’t all have well to do spouses…and I have always chosen jobs that afford the luxury of thought about God/life/creation/everything…as far as possible…
and where such thoughts as I always am thinking get in the way of me doing my material job….the material job always loses out……so yes…I am economically challenged. Even now another tax auction looms and I cannot ask people to help me out financially more than they already have……..
Mind you….i have done my best to learn to receive gracefully and gratefully….and I am grateful for whatever help GOD has seen fit to allow me……….when faced with the loss of everything I loved and held dear as being the cup of GOD’S WILL for me….i accepted the cup and said ‘So be it.” If it is the Father’s Will then so must it be and joyful must it be in the fulfillment of it……..as far as I can do and be…..
Mind you, it wasn’t getting nailed to a tree….but it was my cup…I am not much for experiencing pain and loss……but I am not one to deny PAPA HIS WILL IN WHAT I AM………and so I readily and sincerely and devotedly and lovingly surrendered my self to The Father’s Will……..and drank the whole thing, taking it completely into mind and heart…….and we are still here…….and the things that hold dear are still with me and have increased in love and light….if not money….ah well……..THIS YEAR, I’M ASKING FOR PRAYERS FROM ANYONE THAT CARES ENOUGH TO DO SO FOR MY SAKE….THAT THE FATHER MAY SEE FIT TO DO AS HE PLEASES WITH THIS CIRCUMSTANCE ONCE AND FOR ALL…..all or nothing, I guess……whatever HIS WILL in the matter may be…..but it would be nice to work without the distraction….but who am i? Billions are suffering…..save the world, you save me, as well…Save me…..all I can do is try to help save the world by helping it save itself…as best I can……I’ve been doing that anyway…I’m just a spiritual whore in that respect…..worse yet……..i don’t charge…I just say, ‘Give me what you think it’s worth if you have it to give and if you don’t……take what you like, anyway….it’s all for you….baby……’cause I like doin’ it with you and I want to make it good for you……….lol…..sure, why not?
I got the tea and cake message…glad to see you’re keeping up with the private forum…….
As far as Candace and glp is concerned….i don’t see YOU venturing into the dark and dangerous alleys where angels fear to tread with a light in your hand, looking to bring out any and all that reach out for that light in order to find their way to the greater light of a greater world and existence than the dark one they’ve become so accustomed to…forgive me if I’m not looking hard enough to find you out there, teaching the hard lessons that need to be learned…I’m sure you’re doing your best to do your part. Just tell me where I can find you doing the much needed legwork that is required of those that would lead and I’ll look it over….me? I’m no leader, I’m support…. so…….i can only go in there as back up and that’s just for a little while………….it takes a truly strong sprit personality to deal with that and remain unscathed…..Candace does that….another reason why she is in charge of Christ Michael Aton’s Second Coming Organization…..i stand firm on that one….I am here to serve The Father’s Will……among other titles…I Am The Paradise Father’s Unicorn and also, Sheepdog of Christ…..none of this holds any meaning for you…I know…but consider that you say you miss my days of ranting and raving…….look at where we are now………this is not the time for that anymore……THE FATHER’S WILL IS ABSOLUTE AND THAT WILL STANDS WITH CHRIST MICHAEL ATON IN THE FULFILLMENT OF HIS VISION FOR THE UNIVERSE OF NEBADON, THE UNIVERSE OF HIS OWN MAKING. BUT NEITHER CAN CM, OR ANY OF THE COUNCILS OR THEIR MEMBERSHIP, GO AGAINST THE FATHER’S WILL…ALL BOW TO THE WILL OF SOURCE IN THE FATHER IN THE PARADISE TRINITY….so neither CM nor the councils have final say in any of this and that is that………….i recognize this fact because I grew, I evolved…….i am trained, as you say, tamed……by the one who owns me, who rides me……I’ve been sent through my paces for decades, I listen, I hear, the voice of FIRST SOURCE AND CENTER, within and all around and I heed that and obey[yes, that’s OBEY}.
All that ranting and raving had it’s place and purpose and now….we are here……….capische?
I was sent to work with and for Christ Michael Aton in this matter and CM ATON brought me up to work under Candace [immediate supervisor] and I AM quite happy with it all. ABUNDANTHOPE has grown immensely throughout all the changes, The teachings on the front are varied and valuable. More people than ever are exercising their GOD=given connection with the spirit personalities of Light and Life that they find themselves assigned with….the private forum is strong [ as you can see] and the public forum is doing very well in teaching those that come from places like glp to check out something that offers greater light than, perhaps, they’ve been used to……it’s there and it’s teaching and the teachings are striving because that is what GOD and CM Wills and the whole thing is doing what it is designed to do and is being fulfilled in GOD’S Will through Christ Michael Aton, through Candace and through all of these that stand beside her in this war’s final battle against the last vestiges of the Lucifer rebellion that seek to usurp GOD and Christ Michael and keep this planet for themselves…….and for that, they need to exalt Lucifer…in any form, or shape, or way of being……so…even if you were right about this…IF…….These idiots want the clone….the evil clone that somehow got made of a spirit personality that fooled everyone from PAPA on down………..they want that and that’s what they’re putting up and that’s their last hope…….but he’s been uncreated…….so they’re doing anything and everything that they can to keep their hope alive……….not that you have anything to do with any of that……………but it looks bad…y’know?
Oh
One last thing……
The message I have for you……….from PAPA……
THE CUP OF DIVINE WILL
MY WILL
WAS OFFERED TO YOU
YE DECLINED
CHOOSING WHAT YOU LOVED IN YOUR MATERIAL LIFE
ABOVE YOUR LOVE FOR WHAT I AM
SO BE IT
WE HAD HOPE
IN THIS DOOR
LEFT OPEN FOR YOU
BUT IT IS CLOSING
AND WITH IT
YOUR PROBATION
THE BLESSING YOU DECLINED
FROM GOD’S RIGHT HAND
CANNOT BE OFFERED AGAIN IN THIS LIFE
THE LOSS YOU FEARED
FROM GOD’S LEFT HAND
WILL BE RECEIVED BY YOU
UNTIL YOU RETURN AGAIN
TO THE PLACE OF PROMISE
YOU LEFT BEHIND
SO SAYS I
EVEN I AM.
*remember your promise………kibo
That’s all…..please…if you write another message to me in your newsletter, please also to include it in the comment section of this blog……..respectfully
KiboDabi
Whew……..okay…..what’s left?
HAPPY FATHER’S DAY, PAPA!GRANDPA!CMATON!
AND ALL YOU FATHERS OUT THERE THAT WERE ACTUALLY FULLFILLING YOUR FATHER RESPONSIBILITIES!
BLESS YOU ALL!
Music/video……
The music is finished but there are delivery problems……..and I can’t do the write up until that’s resolved…don’t ask me why….i just do what I’m told….so try not to feel too badly about me or towards me in all this…..it should get easier after I figure this out…I deliver it one way and it somehow becomes fragmented….i still have a few tricks up my sleeve so let me do that and if nothing else I will have to do it all over……….but I was really happy with this one………..
As far as the money is concerned….THANK YOU EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN SO HELPFUL IN KEEPING US AFLOAT………..WE’VE MADE THIS THIS LONG BY GOD’S GRACE THROUGH YOU! SO YES! THANK YOU!!!
PLEASE PRAY THAT THIS SITUATION BE GIVEN TO THE FATHER OF ALL THINGS AND THAT HE CAN WORK WITH/THROUGH/ ME AND/OR WHATEVER, TO RESOLVE THIS STUFF ONCE AND FOR ALL SO THAT I CAN REALLY GET TO WORK WITHOUT THE DISTRACTIONS AND PRODUCE VALUES AND TEACHINGS THAT WILL HELP ALL OF YOU BE OPEN CIRCUITS OF DIVINE COMMUNICATION SO THAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN THE FATHER’S WILL WITHOUT HINDRANCE, INTERRUPTION OR INTERFERENCE……YOU WILL BE HAVING THAT ONGOING CONVERSATION ALL THE TIME AND HELP OTHERS TO DO THE SAME………WITHIN THEMSELVES….JUST LIKE YOU ARE……..
GOD IS IN YOU AND ALL AROUND YOU
GOD IS ALL ARE WE ARE ONE ARE WE ARE ALL IS GOD
THAT’S EVERYTHING
SO….THANKS EVE!
THANK YOU ALL AND EVERYONE AND EVERYBODY!
LOVE YA!
THANKS FOR BEING HERE!
THANKS FOR CARING!
THANKS FOR EVOLVING AND LETTING ME HELP TO BE A PART OF IT!
THANKS FOR HELPING ME EVOLVE!
JUST……….THANKS FOR EVERYTHING AND ALL OF IT!
PRAY EVERY MOMENT FOR THE WORLD AND ITS PEOPLES TO ASCEND
UNTIL IT HAPPENS
AND KEEP PRAYING FOR GOD’S WILL
AS IT HAPPENS!
KIBO
Kibodabi 
So I am thinking of becoming a beekeeper…actually going to a meeting tonight of our local association…I so love honey bees! Amazing creatures….
Here is a cool fact about honey…
Honey is the only food that includes all the substances necessary to sustain life, including enzymes, vitamins, minerals, and water; and it’s the only food that contains “pinocembrin”, an antioxidant associated with improved brain functioning.
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I, myself, try to keep a supply of Royal Jelly……..excellent stuff!
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Once I get up and running, Papa willing, I will hook you up…..from my house to yours…
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love you, brother. always did.
glad you got back your humour
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SMILE
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WOW.
WOW!!!
WOW!?!?!?
The cartoon-freak and a retired greek gogo-girl – you should merry each other.
Kibo, instaed of pleasing CM to be as harsh as possible
you now have a theo-watchdoggy with tutu to do so!?
THAT’S THE END MY FRIEND
Have a lot of fun to nosh your holy carrot. Take all the time you need.
And take good care for the watchdoggy at your back.
She always hiding some sharp knifes under her tutu.
SINKING YOUR OWN SHIP IS A HARD JOB.
Being poor has become a standard. Your standard.
This is a TRIPLE-POOR.
YOU did not see the closing door?
THE GOOD OLD KIBO IS HISTORY.
AS BELOW SO ABOVE.
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typical……anyway
*click*
that is the sound of the door closing behind you being locked….before you could leave the room…….wait for it……..TOLD YA
GODS WILL IS DONE IN ALL THINGS! AMEN
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oh, Melody,
you research so brilliantly
in but a heap of shit.
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Theo: Not true again. This is the second time you have tried to hard attack against me on this site. Who is the real theo?
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see,
why take it personally
while this is a debate into finding TRUTH?
TRUTH IS ALWAYS STANDING ALL BY ITSELF – nobody needs defend it.
why then feeling attacked?
and ‘real theo’? WTF? you just refuse SEING
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Theo…I owe you an apology…….I honestly do try to see the best of intentions in people and to be as open and honest as I can……I thought you were being overly cautious at times…..but I can see now that efforts have been made to use this blog as an outlet for Eve’s people to try to prove the validity of their position….at least Kathyrn was more honest about it, which I appreciated….
I still don’t understand the need of some people to try to gain my support for their positions….where we agree on certain things, then let us work together to promote that…where we disagree, let us do so peacefully………I have been as honorable as I can in the course of this…..harassment, I guess……seems I’ve reached a level where people feel the need to declare themselves as enemies…….personally, I don’t have any enemies….I love everybody and feel I have a right to disagree with their acts just as they can with mine……but some people feel a need to attack in order to state their case.
I gave my opinion on Eve’s position as a natural course of doing and being what I am. I never considered that it was a set up to see if they could bring me to their side and, if not, to do all they can to…’screw me up’, I think was the intent that was stated…..
so here we are and I am thankful for your perception in cases like this. Obviously I am too trusting in these matters and I will continue to be that way…..I don’t want to be paranoid every time someone brings a differing opinion. I will consider all sides of everything as it relates to my own experience and give the answers that I understand that apply, without fear in those aspects of it where I know without the shadow of any doubt, that I am right. Where I am uncertain, I shall enquire until I am satisfied. Where I am wrong or feel wrong or am proven wrong, I shall make the necessary corrections..it has happened before and will happen again…that’s how I’ve gotten this far and I will continue as I have been taught by SPIRIT to do and be.
You are my friend who reminds me of things that I do not take the time to see and warn me of things coming my way…just in case…[Dude? Arrow coming from the left….just thought you should know…(smile)] so thanks for that and also for all the help on TIU…it is greatly appreciated and it’s nice to have someone I can trust to help watch my back. I have been concerned that perhaps you have been unduly harsh…but apparently time bears out the truth…and this has happened with you before with AH and your instincts were prove right then, as well…wow…just promise me that, if you see me going bad…you’ll let me know as harshly as possible before I lose myself…it’s not something I ever want to happen and it would be comforting to know that you would be able to slap me hard enough to realize it if it ever happens GOD FORBID!!!
so yeah THANKS FOR ALL THAT AND GOD BLESS YOU FOR IT ALL THE TIME!
okay guys? good. Because now I truly see how helpful she is and apologize for taking so long to see it.
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Sorry quatum999. This is just for Kibo. And I have to follow the order of Christ Michael Aton.
CHRIST MICHAEL ATON:
A SERIOUS WORD TO MY BROTHER DABI
19th May 2014
Dear brother, this is your older brother Christ Michael Aton of Nebadon speaking. My intention is to speak straight to you, some open words necessary and even inevitable at this point. You’ll be aware that I’m known for my wide tolerance and so is „Papa Source“. Well, that does not mean that I’m just going to watch while you’re playing out „wild cards“ justified just by the knowlege about your origin and cosmic identity. You’re moving upon thin ice, my friend. You claim to be the self-announced „sheep-dog“ of our Father, his „Unicorn“, you state, but be aware that I’m your personal „border collie“, or – as I said to Eve – literally your Big Brother.
There is a serious topic to expose and to look at. And it’s NOT about your personal choice and attitude to ridicule Eve into the conspiracy corner of your blog.
The topic I have to adress is much more serious.
It’s about „falsification of documents“.
No idea what I’m talking about?
Dear brother Dabi, you have misused the name of our Father or „Papa Source“, as you call him. You have placed a message to Eve which claims to come straight from Him, but it does NOT. This message was written by an image of yourself which you have personally built to please an audience. It was written without thorough knowledge and understanding of all facts, it was offensive and intended to put pressure to Eve, and you signed it with the name of Papa Source, which is definitely „falsification of documents“ and I shall tell you that you are going to be held responsible for that, in the same way C. and others will be held responsible for signing tactical messages with my name or with the names of Nebadonia, Ana Kumara, Lady Nada, Monjoronson etc.
I strongly recommend you to withdraw into your „tree house“ for a while, beyond entertainment upon the public stage, to seriously investigate into the circumstances.
What you write proves that you never read properly what was exposed by Eve and her team. Cross-reading is not enough. If you don’t get it you must investigate into training of logical conclusions. You wrote, nobody had realized the falsification of the Akashic records. You have NOT read properly! There had been knowledge about that, in the same way as a few of you folks on the planet know about Tesla, chemtrails, true history, the background of 911 or the real activities of the NSA & Dracos in deep underground bases.
Now I brotherly ask you: If you see that things are going off track, that injustice and betrayal is being practised and you are working for a „Lord“ or a „Lady“ not realizing or even supporting that: Isn’t it your „damn duty“ in divine service to expose it and to quit? Would „staying“ not be alike supporting a corrupt government, church or board of management? Eve has made her decision and if you still fail to see the reasons, it’s still unnecessary to use the name of Papa Source to place the wayshower to others into another direction supporting your personal theory.
Your homework has not yet been done successfully. You came here NOT only for watching and observing, you came here incarnate for learning how to make decisions, preferrably the right ones.
Your most urgent assignment is to take another retreat to become clear about your position and your deeds. It’s not your goal to become a modern guru pleasing the Melchisedeks. Your goal is to develop your skills to be a worthy son of Papa Source, so that you will be able to create glory on his behalf. Start with true research and being honest with yourself. For this you don’t need an audience. Remember and behold my words given in brotherly committment.
Christ Michael Aton of Nebadon, aka Big Cheese,
in unity with Nebadonia.
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lol….that’s not what You told me earlier today….wow….I express my opinion about something that I know is wrong and give tit for tat….and this is what I get……….well…..I stand by my words and message, and the SOURCE of that message…when Eve starts teaching something real…then we’ll talk…..there is so much more I could say…..but I really am trying to be nice to you people…..as it is…we will let CM and PAPA decide it all and let us know directly and personally….in person….moreso than THEY have ever been with us before and if I am wrong, I shall make the necessary corrections…until then….this is all just a lovely distraction from what’s really going on and if you people out there let this take up your attention…well….I guess it is a nice show……..all of you can decide within yourselves who and what you are and what you are about and who and what you serve….This is MY Path….over 40 year of experience has bought me to this point and I will continue to progress in this as I have been…always praying for The FATHER’S WILL to be done in me and with me and PAPA’S help in making sure things are done right and correctly.
I understand that there are supporters of Eve out there that are upset….but……ah well…so be it…..I am almost honored that you think that I am worth all this effort…as if your great truth could be destroyed by lil’ ol’ me…..amazing……..
so here we are…me moving on because I am what I am and you trying to stay on this…..get over it…it is what it is….so….deal with it……and please don’t be concerned for my sake and part….I am always willing to accept whatever comes to me from PAPA’S HAND. I Am always willing to take true instruction and learn GOD’S TRUTH and GOD teaches me as IT WILLS to do so…….so I’m good with that…….it’s just that I truly think and believe, through proper asking about the matter and my experiences as a whole experience…that what you’re defending is simply not true. I can’t help it. I’ve looked at it and thought about it and studied it and asked about it and tried to come to some sort of agreement with any of it……I ain’t feelin’ it, so I don’t think so…but that’s me….I’m sure that there are plenty of people that agree with you and plenty more that want to…so why care so much about me? i’ll take mine as I always have, gratitude to GOD and joyful and thankful to serve as best I can….I am not perfect…I am what I am….go be what you are…….kibo
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Kibo:
CM is saying do your homework, He’s Giving You A Clue. EVE KUMARA is reincarnate and part of the second coming organization per his blog. Maybe you Should take time out and read the Entire (CM, Esu, Eve, Etc.) blog, all sections. (Myself I have read most but not all, I’m a very slowwww reader.) In my opinion, truth is more important than opinion and opinion, pride, anger, not rationalizing a situation, not getting all the facts, not asking or listening or reading or Properly COMMUNICATING or knowing the full history and under-the-table facts can cause repercussions. Credibility is extremely important. People (beings) skills is just as important as the job and education at hand. Empathy – real understanding, is extremely important. Many people want their word or others word to mean something, that people respect and want, that can be counted on, can be trusted, that the facts or scrutiny is accurate. Many of us want to get away from the little boy/girl part of our life, which can hang us up.
The homeless person will have empathy in ways others won’t, same with the medically challenged or the person seeking justice because they have experienced injustice.
There is no questioning to the fact of your love to CM/Aton and Papa/Source and that you want to serve them and do in your heart and in your workings. There is no question to me that you are in direct communication with them, I know that for positive, you know I know. I know you are more advanced than most here.
I know for years you have tried to stop the wrongs of this world and I know you have been hurt many times trying to do what you felt was right, many times out of your control. This has also been prior said by me which I can prove. I have much respect for your attempts for helping people in various ways you can. I’ve seen many sides. I realize you have spent extreme effort in learning as much as you can for what is of interest to you at the time, especially universal knowledge. I realize you have skills that most do not have and you have spent time developing many of those skills. But I also see issues that need improvement. Did the prior letter work for your benefit – opposite, did the second or the same out come, was there a better way? When people see too much, feel too much, hurt too much, know too much, they sometimes become hardened in certain ways. What does religion say, become as a child.
With CM/Aton, what I have seen, he has come to Gaia and keeps an eye on all he can, to know the truth, BUT also to understand the people and the situation, to have empathy, to give chances and opportunities for change, allowing discussion and forgiveness, before having to finally throw in the towel for the betterment of what he feels is needed. How many times has he had to hold his tongue, not allow anger or pride to take him over, had to wait. He had to give up his dream of Gaia, delay his dream, for one problem after another. Part of his life was taken from him, his dream for this universe, due to the Luciferian Wars, Committee taking over due to him trying to compromise and then they want to use Gaia as a learning tool for what not to do, the most evil of the planets in all the universes. Why, so they could study it so they would know what not to do for other planets, CM seeing the Earth almost destroyed. In their minds they may have thought they were doing the right thing, a new lesson to stop further future harm for any of the universes, yet at the same time harming the soul development and life on this planet and the free will of CM for what he wanted of this seed and trading post planet, the most beautiful of all the planets, taken over and attempted destroyed by the dark. I had spirit prior identify I was correct on this subject. He needs our help, not more problems. What’s that saying, Divided we fall.
Many times I have seen the impossible. I saw, with my eyes, my deceased Dad waiting for my Mother. I experienced transcripts falsified and changed. I have seen shape shifters shift. I see cover-ups of justice and crime for various reasons from people that are supposed to represent the people but do not. People I have thought are spiritual I find do not behave spiritually and lie or misdirect, etc. I find my beliefs have changed. I find black is really white. I find that CM contacts me during hard times and what he says is truth, even if I don’t like it, tells me what is going to happen to me. When I’m not listening he contacts me through other people to get me a message. He contacts me again, more truth, saying I will see a miracle, and the result is my life is saved. More contact later, both directly to me and also information through another. It looks like we are experiencing similar. As I was directed, so are you. But this is not taking away from your hard work, who you are, that you are more knowledgeable and spiritually advanced from most. But it is a lesson.
Many times, what I do is research a subject, even if I think I’m right. There have been times I thought I was right but wasn’t because I may have missed an important fact(s). Research includes many avenues. As on a job, if you don’t know an answer or need to be sure, you ask the boss. In your case the boss is CM who is under the biggest boss, Source. Rather than opinion, ask the boss. Then you have a higher source for that opinion to be real.
Phoenix Operator-Owner Manual: Phoenix Journal 27
http://www.fourwinds10.net/journals/html/J027.html
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but I did ask…several times..and still I ask again and again…and always I get the same answer….
and I have gone over the website with a fine toothed comb over and over…and there is nothing I can use that holds any lasting value and there is much that is not true regarding the circumstance of Orvonton and as that relates to and applies to here……….there is no reason for me to accept any of it it if meas also implying that PAPA has no control over the creation of His own creating with Paradise Trinity.
you people want to imply that the spirit beings of the circuits of Orvonton that border on Havona, are just as petty and selfish as we are and use ‘ as above, so below’ as you justification of it…….silly……and it is ludicrous to state that those theses are the price of admission to Nebadon……….I AM OPPOSED TO SUCH UNTRUTHS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AND I STAND ON THAT AS FACT IN MY EXPERIENCE! All and any of you may do as you please and believe what you like…no problem…and we can hash this out until PAPA Himself comes and lays it all out in Absolute, Ultimate and Supreme TRUTH……right now…it is what it is and I am what I am and I am being true to that, you are being true to who and what you are……..to be so upset because of my opinion and waste so much energy in defending your position to me….means even you feel there is something off about it but you want to believe it because it shifts the blame to ‘them’ out there and not upon ourselves……..we are the ones that have to be able to change for the better in order to change this world……Eve offers a position..that’s fine..i am opposed to that position…that’s fine……we will simply have to agree to disagree on this one…..but as to what it takes to help ourselves to ascend…I see no teachings there that are helpful in that regard…..even if the position was right, what does that do for us here and now?
you’ve come up with what you think is the best excuse for all the delays and such have frustrated all of us to no end…..but as far as I can see…we are doing everything but calling upon humanity to surrender themselves to THE FATHER’S WILL.
That I disagree with Eve should be of no consequence to Eve and those that support her if they are right in the matter. I will never be able to support the position they have taken and that should be accepted as a finality. All this arguing back and forth serves no purpose other than to distract from the matter at hand…..the raising of the individual consciousness in order to ascend and thereby help the planet and its peoples to ascend. That will only be done by striving to live in The Father’s Will. I refuse to negate the power and validity of That Will by believing that it can be circumvented nor shall I ever believe that any thought, feeling, intent or action can be hidden from it……but that’s me and I will continue to be true to THE ONE that has led me this far up The Great Path and hold on tightly to That Hand that has seen me through all things and That Voice which still continues to speak against the truth and validity of your position, which I wholeheartedly echo……..thank you very much………so I am more than happy to keep this up if you people insist, but it will change nothing…..as personalities went back and forth between GABRIEL and Lucifer in the great debate of opposing positions in the early days of the Lucifer rebellion……so do you seem to want it here……..I personally think we have more important and better things to do and would ask you attend to your end of these things as I am on my end….but………sigh………..AS PAPA WILLS IN CHRIST MICHAEL ATON AND IN I/ME AND AS IN ANY OF US AND EACH OF US AND ALL OF US….SO LET IT BE……..
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“The only problem that I have with it, personally, is that it needed to be given in the first place”…… and it wasn’t, just your wish to be given.
Well, we are not here to judge anybody… we are here to learn from each other and grow in this never-ending spiritual journey. So, let’s clear the air and warm up a little bit as I have a good question, and everybody can chime in. Yup everyone, it’s one of those important question that almost everything gravitate around it. Here it is:
There is FREE WILL or NOT?
Everybody is invited to express his/her opinion or believe about this subject. No criticism or bitterness as a way to release your inner anger. Just your two cents. There is no good or bad answer, just personal opinion. And I can be the mediator as Kido (no misspelling) will be grounded for a few days to cleanses his karma.
Now, as usual some will go into ‘wait and see’ what others will say, so in order to get over that I will break the ice with my opinion:
There is no free will, never was, never will be – ever. How about that?
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my personal opinion on the matter is that we are having an experience of the perception of free will.
if a thing is known, from every possible angle there is, mind you, long before it happens in time and space….then how can it be said to be truly free? In my eyes, GOD/SOURCE OF SOURCES//PAPA is the only true free will that exists…will becomes free=er, the closer you are in alignment with THE ONE WILL, and that Will is perfectly free.so the whole of Paradise Trinity has free will and it is perfect free will because it is completely in alignment with the Will of PAPA.
in order to have free will on our level of things, one has to know every nuance and circumstance involved. you can’t say you have free will to make whatever choice you want to make when the reasons for your choices are controlled and manipulated, especially by the fact that you are not operating with all of the facts at hand. The very choices that on thinks/feels are available to choose from are purposely limited……how can that be called free will? The fact that probably trillions and trillions of previous choices made by you and others, led to the circumstance of you having to make a choice about something, anything really, is a matter of tracing everything back to THE CAUSE OF ALL CAUSES….WHICH IS GOD ITSELF.
So all you are really doing is playing out something that was established long ago….
so IMHO, we have a perception of experiencing free will [that is real to us] in order to train us to handle having true free will in reality, or THE REALITY OF GODUNITY. We are learning cause and effect and what it is and what it means and how to deal with it and handle it to achieve the best possible outcome in all things….thank you for your time and consideration in this matter……….blessings to you in GOD….
kibo[who, apparently, hasn’t been grounded at all]Dabi
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Well, it looks like nobody rush to add their opinion to this subject (FREE WILL or NOT), except Kibo. Thanks for your input, a good one, from different angles the way I like it.
And this is my opinion about this subject:
There is only a simulation of free will and only for the sake of experience, to feel free, to feel your individuality, to feel you can do whatever you want… for the sake of experience. In reality things are different. Say John want to buy a house and his agent says: look I have 5 houses that meet your criteria, go see all of them and let me know which one you want. Said and done, John goes and see all of them and he chooses house number 3. It was his decision, his free will to settle in that house.
Perfect, point is at FIRST-level upstairs they knew John is going to pick house number 3, and accordingly they try to do or help John from above the way they had to do. Now stay focus… upstairs level-TWO they knew that those from FIRST-level knew about John choosing the house #3, and they start doing whatever they had to do. And so it goes to all the levels upstairs. See… it’s like security clearance, the higher the clearance the more you know about those below you, the more access you have to the main script.
When I read CwG, there is a small sentence that made me dizzy, which I consider the most important sentence of the book: “God is an observer”. In the beginning I said, ok, God is looking at the creation and admire His work. Then one day it hit me…
In the Beginning of All Beginnings God had a unique plan for the whole Creation, not just for one Cycle creation, but for all of them. Meaning there is a Great Plan and everything unfold according to that plan, Cycle after Cycle… Forever. And this is what took me by surprise: this unending creation Cycle after Cycle is on… AUTOMATIC PILOT… that’s why God is an Observer. He doesn’t do anything, He is just observing his Creation unfolding Cycle after Cycle… Forever. He doesn’t intervene to modify anything, because if He does that it means the Plan is not perfect. And the Plan is perfect because God is perfect, so He will never modify anything, which means the Plan will continue to unfold forever as an AUTOMATIC PILOT. And… God Is An Observer… to His own Creation.
When the little girl goes at night and pray for this and that, she will have her prayers answered ONLY if this and that are in the plan – her plan. Why her plan, because the plan is split in pieces, one piece for each soul. So, if the prayer match the plan there you go they are answered, otherwise… silence, it wasn’t God WILL she will say. In fact the best way to say it is God PLAN.
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DIVINE PURPOSE IS JUST THAT. I understand if people feel that it is not true if it is anything but positive in their eyes….however…..There are such things as time limits……there is no fear in it unless one puts it there themselves….as far as pretending…all I can do is say that this is my experience with THE THING and I can hardly expect others to agree with me…..that’s not my job. This is my job even if no one agrees with me about it.
More powerful messages of warning have been given to the dark ones over the years, why the problem with this one? Eve, at least, is in a situation of return and embrace, but that’s up to her…I have all good faith that she will do the right thing by GOD and CM……..Everything is done to obtain and attain the best possible outcome by GOD’S WILL….and sometimes it doesn’t look all nice and pretty to us unless we know what’s behind it and can see the goal that the path leads to….
Trust me…or not…..I don’t really care right now…maybe tomorrow…..but PAPA guides those that need guiding even when it takes a firmer hand because the gentle hand was ignored…….you learn that along the way…if you are of a mind to. There are those who don’t learn even when the hand gets firmer…and then it gets firmer still, until it starts to become something like a slap to wake you up…….and some don’t care after that……and so it goes…….
we are all getting what we deserve based upon the attention we have paid to our desire……. we make decisions to try to do as GOD requires of us as individuals, or not, or resist, or rebel….and all the circumstances of such in between. I Am not going to hide behind being a messenger, but the message is as given and a lot of circumstances were arranged in order to give it the way it was given…….so I have no problem with it in that sense and stand by my work with and for PAPA. The only problem that I have with it, personally, is that it needed to be given in the first place.
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Kibo, i think you miss the point. All that folks above knows about the situation. They have to follow other rules. CM was created include the potential to reform this worst situtaion outside of havona. We down here in this dark density did not know about this universal wars and crimes. And the beginning should be coming from nebadon, from urantia, from the wilde, wilde west at the end of all creation. We are here to help and serve these monumental universal topic on Papa’s agenda.
Wake up and remember your own huge and naive lost of creation!
One last thing to you: You know just a little bit who you are. That’s ok. And you have been doing a great job. That’s fine too. But your massage to Eve from Papa is more than a bizzar piece from the kibohorrorpictureshow. You are playing with fire in a very dry forrest. You have the right and the authority to speak in his name. But you only have this authority if you do it in his name for the highest purpose and benefit of all and the highest praise and glory of PapaSource.
These are not Papa’s words! You have written these words and this is an abuse of authority!!!
Please take care what you are saying. Set timelimits, fear and and ‘I am the grat pretender’ should not be yours. Btw, you already know that she is behind this closing door? Don’t you?
Good luke to you. Be blessed. Dave
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Kibo, why don’t you go to the positive side and remind Eve that part of the message from Papa: “The door is CLOSING”… meaning is NOT CLOSED yet, and this is very important. And try to put a nice/happy face when you ‘talk’ to her, because more accusations won’t help.
She needs this. Remember, we are not perfect. You are not perfect too, you are talking about compassion but you eat meat, and that means zero compassion for animals. So, at times everybody needs a hand, or two, or a hug… when need it. It’s called love in action.
I never understood or agree with the fable about “the return of the prodigal son”. I mean the guy go wild and when he is done returns home and guess what, the father throw a party for him? So what is the lesson for the other sons: guys lets go wild, and when we get tired and come home the father will throw a party for us. Really didn’t get it, until now reading this about Eve. The father threw the party not because the son deserve it, but because he knew how difficult was for the son to take that good decision to get back… and also to introduce him back to the community.
I like Eve (except the last part) and Jonathan, and I don’t understand why they don’t raise their understanding above this game of good & bad. It doesn’t matter what Lucifer did and why… there is going to be another one, and another one forever (maybe not in this super universe but for sure in the new 8 and 9)… because in this big creation it takes two (good & bad) to tango.
From CwG:
“God: If the world existed in perfect condition, your life process of Self creation would be terminated. A lawyer career would end tomorrow were there no more litigations.
Neale: And God career would end tomorrow were there no more problems!
God: Precisely”
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Why don’t you do it yourself?
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Theo the yes-man/boy, have I asked you for any suggestion? No. Then don’t. Besides I don’t have her email or any/close relationship with her the way Kibo has, not that I have to explain myself to you, by the way.
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yeah…..that meat thing……sigh……….eventually….and other things that need addressing in this evolution staging journey…but right now…this is it and it is what it is…being what I am….and all…..I try to do what I can do when I can do it……..ah well…..there’s no defense for it…
This is a debate of exactly what is the reality of all of this…..CM, Urantia, Lucifer, Siraya, and Paradise Trinity and other beings and high beings……we both know that neither one of us is perfect and maybe one of us is right or both of us are wrong….but we can’t be both right…….personally, if eve really wants to convince me that her stand is true…..then i need answers to the details of it that I question as far as asking how could such things be? I gave her what I felt needed to be addressed…….my experience is that such things would be impossible on certain levels of being…….as above, so below has been abused to the pint where people think it’s okay to feel that, no matter how high up you are in consciousness and being, you can still be just as petty and self-serving as the people of Earth………as if they all came fro here or have studied us to the point where we actually are the center of creation and they all want to be like us or should be.. so we place upon them our own attributes instead of we striving to raise our attributes to their levels of being…
and just because I love you and hug you doesn’t mean that i’m not whispering the cold hard truth that has been my experience, into your ear………I fully expect you to do the same for me and we will both act accordingly as best we can under the circumstances to do and be and make adjustments as we feel they must be made.
until the day comes when this is over and the truth of GOD SUPREME is laid out plain and simple for all to see and hear and experience and understand and comprehend…in experience [LAY IT ON ME PAPA!!!!!]
This will have to do………and we will all live by our decisions based on what we think and feel we are and what life is…not to mention GOD, the universe and everything….not everybody makes an effort in that direction………
and hat if this is actually what being nice is…under the circumstances? I didn’t lie about my position in this matter and neither did she….we are being open an honest with each other and sharing our values and experiences and sometimes that means debate and opposition…..cool….it’s only when people take it personally that real problems arise so I am actually trying keep it all about business and if I fail in that with some aspects of it….I seek to make the corrections within myself that will allow me to do better…….Eve is intelligent enough to know the door is not shut…… if the message is valid, as my experience has proven it to be to my own being…….then she will consider the words given and act according to her own experience and goals, thoughts/emotions…spirit/soul…..but that is up to her. I know there is some confusion concerning this whole affair, in that her message was made in her group newsletter…so I cannot ethically post it without her permission..imho…. so people will just have to find out on their own what her message was and I apologize for that….but this thing has served it’s purpose, as far as my understanding of it…and any more energy given to it would be a waste. If Eve wants to respond to my response… so be it…and we’ll pick it up again and have a it…but right now……if any of you wan to investigate further you’d have to go to her site and compare notes……..and i’d have to find it because it’s not on the favorites list on this laptop…so either someone who already has it handy can post it in the comments section here, or i’ll get it later and post it myself…..for inquiring minds that want to know…….
like I said……the newsletter is members only and I only found out because someone sent her message to me…to me…..so I felt that the least I could do is reply……..it didn’t matter to me that people didn’t know what she said…only that she be able to know what I am saying……she should already know my opposition to her position so I really don’t see why she bothered to say anything about it at all….what does it matter what I think about it? I should have considered that she would, at least, hear about what I wrote to Melody about her work…but I really didn’t think she’d care enough to feel that she had to defend it……..i’m honored………still…this whole thing has become overblown and a waste of time and energy…the purpose is served and we’ll all just relax on this end and keep going forward….we are happy to respond to all as best we can…that’s how we learn and grow and evolve……..and I want to do that and like doing it very much……so thanks….but let’s not get too stupid with this one…okay? I simply didn’t know where else to put my reply…….apologies for all the trouble it has caused….but at least this job has been accomplished……..thank you very much….so what’s next on the list?……
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Of course it matters what Lucifer did and the reasons why….it absolutely matters!! I’m curious as to why you think it doesn’t….
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Well, this is a big/long subject to discuss, but let’s keep it short. It matters? Yes & No.
Yes – if you still see/think about the world in the spirit of Sunday church school then yes, it matters. Without Lucifer the whole world, the whole galaxy will be at peace and harmony… he created so much suffering, destruction and disruption for such a long period… yes, it maters historically, it matters morally… etc.
No – it does not matter if his name was Lucifer or Kukubau, it does not matter if he did this and this, or that and that… SOMEONE HAD TO DO IT… regardless of his name or the way, or… Even more, there will be another one, and another one… forever. Why?
Without negativity there is no experience, no experience there is no point for creation. The WHOLE point of CREATION is that GOD (the Source) wants to know Himself. And He can do that, only and only through the opposite of what He is… the negative side.
If you were born in warm temperature, grow up and get mature in warm, you have no idea that that temperature is warm because is always there, it is what it is… until one day, when you experience cold. At that moment you realize, you understand by DIRECT EXPERIENCE what warm is… through its opposite. God is all positive, and the only way to know Himself is through negativity, through the opposite which mirror all His good qualities… which is His nature.
As I said, if you raise your understanding above good & bad then you understand this point, but if you are still in the middle of the battle between good vs bad, then you get caught in the fight, take sides and fight for the good cause, for the good guys… and that means you need to experience that… life after life until you understand this:
“God: You want me to be only the good guy, and not the bad guy… ”
Meaning you want God to join you/mankind and together to destroy once and forever the negative guys. But who are these bad guys? …HIM… there is only GOD and nothing else. Amen.
PS – by the way, thanks for that quote from Meher Baba writings. That’s how I found out about Meher Baba, and now I am reading his main book “God Speaks” which really answered many of my questions.
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My Friend…I understand all too well Jihad!! I’ve been at this for…well….since I can remember….Please to remember I will always fight for that which is Righteous! I’ve spent time in the Abyss for ages and have finally crawled out….Praise be to Papa for his Grace and Mercy….for the Love that did what nothing else could do!
In fact, I jumped in the Great Chasm just as Lucifer did…sadly…oh so sadly….He did not make it out…but I did……to serve as a witness here and now for the purpose of demonstrating the power of The Father’s Love…….
I am so glad that Baba found you too…I’ve come not to teach but to awaken….
I bid you peace, my friend……
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54:2.1 With the Son and in the Spirit did God project eternal Havona, and ever since has there obtained the eternal pattern of co-ordinate participation in creation—sharing. This pattern of sharing is the master design for every one of the Sons and Daughters of God who go out into space to engage in the attempt to duplicate in time the central universe of eternal perfection.
54:2.2 Every creature of every evolving universe who aspires to do the Father’s will is destined to become the partner of the time-space Creators in this magnificent adventure of experiential perfection attainment. Were this not true, the Father would have hardly endowed such creatures with creative free will, neither would he indwell them, actually go into partnership with them by means of his own spirit.
54:2.3 Lucifer’ s folly was the attempt to do the nondoable, to short-circuit time in an experiential universe. Lucifer’s crime was the attempted creative disenfranchisement of every personality in Satania, the unrecognized abridgment of the creature’s personal participation—freewill participation—in the long evolutionary struggle to attain the status of light and life both individually and collectively. In so doing, this onetime Sovereign of your system set the temporal purpose of his own will directly athwart the eternal purpose of God’s will as it is revealed in the bestowal of free will upon all personal creatures. The Lucifer rebellion thus threatened the maximum possible infringement of the freewill choice of the ascenders and servers of the system of Satania—a threat forevermore to deprive every one of these beings of the thrilling experience of contributing something personal and unique to the slowly erecting monument to experiential wisdom which will sometime exist as the perfected system of Satania. Thus does the Lucifer manifesto, masquerading in the habiliments of liberty, stand forth in the clear light of reason as a monumental threat to consummate the theft of personal liberty and to do it on a scale that has been approached only twice in all the history of Nebadon.
54:2.4 In short, what God had given men and angels Lucifer would have taken away from them, that is, the divine privilege of participating in the creation of their own destinies and of the destiny of this local system of inhabited worlds.
54:2.5 No being in all the universe has the rightful liberty to deprive any other being of true liberty, the right to love and be loved, the privilege of worshiping God and of serving his fellows.
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From the inside looking out and outside looking in…this is it…can’t you see….
54:1.1 Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
54:1.2 True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity.
54:1.3 Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations.
54:1.4 Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships.
54:1.5 Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.
54:1.6 True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings.
54:1.7 Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.
54:1.8 There is no error greater than that species of self-deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these persons of their natural liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against all such fraud, unfairness, selfishness, and unrighteousness. Only true and genuine liberty is compatible with the reign of love and the ministry of mercy.
54:1.9 How dare the self-willed creature encroach upon the rights of his fellows in the name of personal liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the universe stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of will and potentials of personality! No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.
54:1.10 Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute.
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